David Papier recently returned from spending a good
part of the last year teaching ESL in China. He has
taught and created relevant teaching materials all over the
world during a career which has spanned three decades.
ESL MiniConference Online is pleased to present his
comments from our recent interview.
Some David Papier links:
dpapier@rocketmail.com
An ESL MiniConference Online interview
with David Papier:
What is your main ESL activity now? What are your
principal projects, and what is on the back burner?
My major enjoyment in ESL is actual classroom
teaching--I always get a thrill from meeting a new
class, determining what the students need and helping
them to move along. I therefore pursue teaching in a
variety of settings involving different skills, levels
and ages of students. Most recently I taught in
China, part of the time in a rural area with little
money and few resources; a project I am undertaking is
to send a range of books and other teaching materials
to the school to help improve EFL instruction there.
A project I am holding for the future is to revise and
expand a text called 'Critical Reading' which I wrote
in Thailand a few years ago.
How did you start your ESL career? Who influenced
your decision? What were some important formative
experiences in the early stages of your development?
I became interested in ESL as a graduate student
at the University of Michigan--here I met students
from all over the world at the English Language
Institute. I took courses in teaching; especially
influential was H. Douglas Brown, Professor of
Education, who helped us explore so many possibilities
in teaching. I learned a good deal more when I had to
design and teach an ESL course open to everyone in the
Ann Arbor community: this was part of the requirement
for the M.A. degree. We beginners were observed and
critiqued by experienced teachers, providing a chance
for me to learn from my mistakes and giving me lessons
I have never forgotten. The following year I went to
Yugoslavia on a Fulbright grant to set up and teach an
EFL course at a technical college. I had no
colleagues, no text and no materials other than my
own; for me this was a crash course in learning the
value of being creative and flexible. In the long run
it proved to be extremely good training.
What are the four or five language/culture backgrounds
with which you are most familiar as a teacher? Which
ones are you familiar with from the perspective of a
language learner yourself? What insights have you
gained in how to meet the needs of English learners
from these cultures and language backgrounds?
I have lived for lengths of time as a teacher in
Yugoslavia, Haiti, Japan, Thailand and China. I am
most familiar with these language and culture
backgrounds from the point of view of a teacher and
also as a language learner, since I make a strong
effort in every country to learn the language. I
think it is important for ESL teachers to spend time
in other countries, not only for personal enrichment
but also for the experience to be gained: the
first-hand experience of struggling to learn another
language and culture, the less-than-ideal teaching
conditions which help bring out inventiveness and
other strengths in a teacher, the valuable resource
one can become in a place like China just by being a
native speaker of English. I learn specific lessons
from each new teaching role. For example, in Asia
students are usually passive in class, expecting the
teacher to do all the speaking because that is their
tradition. Knowing that this is not the best way of
teaching, I have come to rely more heavily on
classwork in pairs, in groups and on teams, so I have
developed new activities and have become much more
comfortable with this type of teaching. I consider
this to be not just a response to a certain teaching
situation, but an overall benefit to my teaching, part
of my own evolution.
If you had to give three pieces of advice to a
new ESL teacher, what would they be?
A. BE FLEXIBLE. Be ready to change your lesson if
something unexpected happens. If a lesson isn't
working, be prepared to make quick changes or drop it
entirely, at least for the time being. Have a backup
plan. Always have a game or something light in
reserve to be used if necessary.
B. BE CREATIVE. Start a picture file, collecting
from magazines and catalogues. All kinds of lessons
can be built in a jiffy around pictures. Beg and
borrow ideas freely from other teachers. Adapt ideas
from colleagues and from textbooks to suit your own
style and needs.
C. BE PATIENT. Remember that what is simple to you
in English is not so simple to the students. Speak a
bit more slowly and distinctly, try to simplify the
words that you use and watch students to make sure
they are with you. If not, stop and back up. Learn
to read from an ESL point of view--that is, learn to
anticipate which words and grammatical constructions
in a reading are likely to give the students trouble
so you can stress them in class. When you discuss a
new word, don't automatically tell the students what
the word means; instead, ask leading questions to help
them figure out the word. Don't emphasize definition,
but context: ESL research shows students retain words
longer if they are placed in context rather than
simply defined or translated. Require students to
keep a list of new words, always in context. It is
your job as the teacher to provide the context, a
sentence or a phrase. This will also show students
exactly how the word is used.
What do you see as the most important issues
facing the ESL/EFL teaching profession today?
I think it is most important to keep the ESL field
dynamic, making changes not just for the sake of
change, but to keep up with our fast-moving world. We
must adopt new technology where appropriate, always
remembering that no new electronic gizmo can take the
place of a good, solid teacher. We must also bear in
mind that with our world becoming more and more
international, students' needs may change, requiring
us teachers to be one step ahead. And we must always
maintain cultural sensitivity, now perhaps more than
ever as we rub shoulders with more and more people
from far-flung places. However, I do not think these
challenges are overwhelming as I look around at the
amount of talent out there in the ESL field.
Interviewed by Robb Scott
2002 ESL MiniConference Online
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